Commentary: "Why American Children Stopped Believing in God"

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esire for some in the thread who want the government to push religion, with the spoken or unspoken assumption it would be their religion.
I can’;t imagine a single human being, on this forum or elsewhere, who imagines that the US government is going to proclaim the Catholic catechism to be taught in school. Not short of an astounding miracle, at least.

Surely what most people want is a decent Catholic school system here that is not attacked by the government or so flooded with lawsuits that it collapses.
 
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esire for some in the thread who want the government to push religion, with the spoken or unspoken assumption it would be their religion.
I can’;t imagine a single human being, on this forum or elsewhere, who imagines that the US government is going to proclaim the Catholic catechism to be taught in school. Not short of an astounding miracle, at least.

Surely what most people want is a decent Catholic school system here that is not attacked by the government or so flooded with lawsuits that it collapses.
Australia has a very decent Catholic school system. The schools appear to follow all necessary rules and regs. Both my kids went to Catholic schools. Are you saying that ‘the government’ in the US is trying to bring down Catholic schools?

Maybe some specific examples would help.
 
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ustralia has a very decent Catholic school system. The schools appear to follow all necessary rules and regs. Both my kids went to Catholic schools. Are you saying that ‘the government’ in the US is trying to bring down Catholic schools?

Maybe some specific examples would help.
The collapse of the Catholic school system in the US is caused by a lack of believing Catholics, more than anything else. Unlike almost any other democracy, the US does not support religious schools, and the Catholic schools that we have now are closing at an alarming rate. Lack of Catholic teaching and an immoral secular culture are to blame.

My mention of government interference has to do with BIden promising - one promise among many that will harm Catholic schools - to prioritize the passage of the expansion of transgender rights through the Equality Act, The Equality Act could theoretically mean the dissolution of the Catholic school system, since Catholics will not be able to change Catholic dogma. Biden has already proven to be without pity for Catholic rights, as in the case of the Sisters of the Poor
 
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ustralia has a very decent Catholic school system. The schools appear to follow all necessary rules and regs. Both my kids went to Catholic schools. Are you saying that ‘the government’ in the US is trying to bring down Catholic schools?

Maybe some specific examples would help.
The collapse of the Catholic school system in the US is caused by a lack of believing Catholics, more than anything else. Unlike almost any other democracy, the US does not support religious schools, and the Catholic schools that we have now are closing at an alarming rate. Lack of Catholic teaching and an immoral secular culture are to blame.

My mention of government interference has to do with BIden promising - one promise among many that will harm Catholic schools - to prioritize the passage of the expansion of transgender rights through the Equality Act, The Equality Act could theoretically mean the dissolution of the Catholic school system, since Catholics will not be able to change Catholic dogma. Biden has already proven to be without pity for Catholic rights, as in the case of the Sisters of the Poor
The Catholic schools here are private. And not that cheap either. If you want private Catholic schools then you’re going to have to pay for them. If no-one want to attend then that’s hardly the government’s fault.

And as I said, all Catholic schools here abide by all government rules and regs. They apply to everyone so no-one is accusing our government of specifically attacking Catholicism per se. And the Equality Act in the US applies to public education. Not private. Not that it should make any difference. I really have no idea if there were gay people teaching at my kids’ school or not. And could care less.

I have zero sympathy for anyone who feels put upon because they would deny employment to someone simply because they were gay. None whatsoever.
 
I have zero sympathy for anyone who feels put upon because they would deny employment to someone simply because they were gay. None whatsoever.
Nor did the gays who sued Catholic schools.

May God have mercy on us all.
 
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I have zero sympathy for anyone who feels put upon because they would deny employment to someone simply because they were gay. None whatsoever.
Nor did the gays who sued Catholic schools.
As was, is, and I hope always will be their right to demand equal rights in regards to employment. Their sexual orientation is not considered a sin and has nothing to do with you or anyone else. All God’s children I believe is an apt phrase.
 
Nor did the gays who sued Catholic schools.
I tried looking for this lawsuit and wasn’t successful. If you have a link, I’d appreciate it.

I have a feeling there are probably going to be more lawsuits as the courts try to figure out where the lines need to be drawn. I can understand, even if I don’t agree, religious schools wanting their teachers to follow and obey the churches morality. They are considered to be in a ministerial position. I think requiring the janitor to be in line with catholic morality is a bit of a stretch.

Eventually, I hope the Supreme Court gives clear decisions so everyone knows what is and isn’t appropriate requirements.
 
As was, is, and I hope always will be their right to demand equal rights in regards to employment. Their sexual orientation is not considered a sin and has nothing to do with you or anyone else. All God’s children I believe is an apt phrase.
Being gay shouldn’t be a problem, being openly in a same sex relationship should be. I would assume that Catholic parents send their children to a Catholic school, not only for the quality of the education, but to teach, and have examples of living a moral life. Someone openly living against Catholic teaching should not be employed at a Catholic school, yes, that also applies to divorced and remarried without an anullment or unmarried living together heterosexual couples.
 
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Freddy:
As was, is, and I hope always will be their right to demand equal rights in regards to employment. Their sexual orientation is not considered a sin and has nothing to do with you or anyone else. All God’s children I believe is an apt phrase.
Being gay shouldn’t be a problem, being openly in a same sex relationship should be. I would assume that Catholic parents send their children to a Catholic school, not only for the quality of the education, but to teach, and have examples of living a moral life.
If you think that kids are going to learn a good moral lesson by a school sacking a teacher simply because they were gay, then we differ in our opinion as to what constitutes a good moral lesson.
 
While I’m sure this is 100% the one and only cause of school quality changes over the years, just to head off the nay sayers, what were class sizes when you were growing up? Also why is it only US schools that require God to work, why do other countries with either secular school systems of those that ignore Christianity entirely in favor of the local predominant religion often do as well or better than US schools?
We generally had around 30 kids in a classroom. One teacher. We did have a music teacher at the public school that I attended, so three times a week, we spent an hour with her, and our classroom teacher had a break from us. But there were no reading specialists, no P.E. teachers, no STEMC teachers, no math specialists–it was all up to the classroom teacher. Often the classroom teacher would have a student teacher (whom we always loved because she–usually a she—was young and cute!), but I’m guessing that the classroom teacher had to work with/train the student teacher–which meant that the student teacher ADDED to the teacher’s workload.

As for your second question–it’s not that U.S. schools “require God to work.” God works whether schools/teachers/students/families recognize Him or not.

But when the public schools fail to reinforce what parents are teaching at home, or even worse, when public schools UNDERMINE what parents are teaching at home, society fragments.

Parents and grandparents lose “authority” over their children–authority that GOD has given to them–if you believe the Bible–as the children are forced to choose between their parents and their school systems/teachers/peers. Many children will choose their peers.

I know that some children can and do speak up if a teacher makes a comment implying that God doesn’t exist, or that all gods are equal, or other comments that undermine a child’s religion.

But most kids don’t. They know that they are not going to prevail against an adult teacher, and that they might even get in trouble. They don’t want to be ostracized by their peers, and they don’t want to lose the “friendship” of the teacher.

So they keep quiet.

Many “quiet” dissenters are able to hold onto the religion that they are taught in their home, but some don’t. For various reasons, they believe their school teacher, and reject their parents’ religion and other life philosophies. Now, if the parents are serial killers or belong to a racist hate group, that a good thing!

But…many kids end up rejecting their Christian religion.

A child spends 6 hours (at least) a day under the influence of someone who has school curricula that is obviously (to anyone with any level of discernment) opposed to the religion and philosophies of their parent.

IF the teacher is also opposed to that curricula, he or she may be able to temper their teaching and not undermine the child’s parents’ teaching and possibly even reinforce the parents/family.

BUT…if the teacher, like so many in the teachers’ unions, is committed to the godless, human-centered, revisionist philosophies that saturate current curricula–families are in trouble.
 
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If you think that kids are going to learn a good moral lesson by a school sacking a teacher simply because they were gay, then we differ in our opinion as to what constitutes a good moral lesson.
Well you don’t see a problem with same sex behavior, or even believe in objective morality, so that doesn’t surprise me.
 
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If you think that kids are going to learn a good moral lesson by a school sacking a teacher simply because they were gay, then we differ in our opinion as to what constitutes a good moral lesson.
Well you don’t see a problem with same sex behavior…
Ah, sorry. I didn’t know the gay teacher would only be sacked if he or she was having sex with a person of the same gender. Are they allowed to ask someone about their sex life in interviews? I didn’t know that.
 
Let’s see. Do heterosexual people post details like, “I’m committing adultery” on social media?

OTOH homosexual couples post messages and pictures from their “Weddings’, post pictures of kisses, etc.

THAT is how the school which hired a person who, in signing the contract, stated that he or she would abide by the teachings of the church —and it isn’t just Catholic Churches here—and would not present themselves by actions which contradicted the policies of that school— can legitimately fire a person who has gone on social media and made public that he or she is indeed presenting themselves in contradiction to the school policies and who have thus BROKEN the contract to which they had originally agreed.
 
I know that some children can and do speak up if a teacher makes a comment implying that God doesn’t exist, or that all gods are equal, or other comments that undermine a child’s religion.

But most kids don’t. They know that they are not going to prevail against an adult teacher, and that they might even get in trouble. They don’t want to be ostracized by their peers, and they don’t want to lose the “friendship” of the teacher.
Something similar happened to my child. When she was taking civics in 7th grade, a class discussion arose regarding abortion laws. She was raised in a very pro-choice household and contributed to the class discussion. She came home very distressed that so many kids in the classroom and the teacher, too, lectured her on why she was wrong. Of course, the discussion was hardly sophisticated, and at the time we were living in a conservative area and kids tend to parrot what they hear at home.

Although I had done a good job educating my daughter on what my beliefs were (and encouraging her to develop her own values on the subject), I didn’t invest the same amount of effort in teaching her what she could expect from people who disagree and how to handle it. It was a real lesson to me that I needed to step up my game in that regard. We had a lot of good conversations over the years about how what you learn and see at school may not match the values we hold.

It is no different for anyone else, whether you are religious or not. Parents should work hard to keep communication open and constant when people outside of the family present different views. Great conversations about beliefs and values can follow.

I never called the teacher out on the incident. It was actually a great learning experience for both my daughter and me, however inappropriate the classroom discussion may have been.
 
I was very Jewish all through public school. I had a run in with a teacher that demanded I recite the Lord’s Prayer in front of the class because I was only bowing my head and not reciting it. When I told her I wasn’t supposed to say that prayer because it wasn’t a Jewish prayer, she told me my religion was wrong. My mother straightened that issue out.

Point being, I don’t think other people have that much influence on having children lose their religion as most kids don’t lose their faith at that age. They may be starting to question their faith by Jr. or Sr. Year but the loss comes later. I don’t know any Jews that lost their faith during the time of a very Protestant based education system. Catholic kids lose their faith even though they went to Catholic schools.

I think many Muslims survived the Christian orientation of schools as well…as have Hindus, JW’s and Mormons. College is a different story yet many more continue in their faith than lose it entirely. I agree much more with peers being a bigger influence than schools are, yet even there, most retain their faith through high school. It’s the maturing brain of the 18-25 yo where the doubts begin and grow. I’m not sure it can be stopped, either. Isolate the kids in a Christian bubble? That may work but at what cost? Open communication and a strong home religious life is probably the best…and some will still be lost.
 
… Yet, we’ve seen attempts to sue religious schools for asserting that their faculty abide by the doctrines of the faith held by that school’s ownership. Just to our north (yeah, I know, I’m not talking about 'murrica anymore), we see that some religious speech has already been adjudicated against as “hate speech”…
Canada?? Care to clarify for this Canuck what lawsuit/court case you are referencing?
 
Before I had any children I thought so too, even though homeschooling just wasn’t done where I grew up. Now I have an infant and I’m totally going for it. We have the means, the education, and there’s just no way I will send her to public school, especially not around here.

The homeschool trajectory is pretty nice even while she’s an infant. I’m not worrying about pushing her so that she’ll “start school” in line with her peers, or trying to force growth too young so that she’ll be perceived as advanced. Both of us are living through her infancy in a much more relaxed state than we would be if we had a kindergarten start-date!
 
Thank you. I sometimes worry what will happen if for some reason I’m forced to send my daughter to public school. Your experience is encouraging.
 
Let’s see. Do heterosexual people post details like, “I’m committing adultery” on social media?
Well they post quite a lot obviously implying they’re having sex outside marriage. A sacking offence as far as you are concerned I guess.
 
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