In Excess of $37,000 yearly cost per household for Green New Deal pushed by AOC (Joe Biden's climate change task force co-chairwoman) and co-sponsored

[Jeanne_S]

Trump can run circles around Biden both mentally and physically.I dare say that includes most of us.He is indefatigable.five rallies a day with hundreds of thounds of supporters,he is and has been an amazing President. . . .

 

[Freddy]

Trump can run circles around Biden both mentally and physically.I dare say that includes most of us.He is indefatigable.five rallies a day with hundreds of thounds of supporters,he is and has been an amazing President.Biden needs a nap probably several per day.Can’t string more than a few words together…you already know that though…it’s a bad joke that he could possibly be the president

Pick any Republican. Anyone would do. I’ve watched and listened to most of the ones who have had their face on screen or words in print over the last few years. There are some (if not most) that I wouldn’t vote for if my life depended on it. Rubio, Santorum, Gingrich, Paul and others.

Without fail I would describe them all as intelligent and articulate. I take the opposite view on practically every policy they would espouse. But they generally do a good job of articulating what their views are and why they hold to them - even if I completely disagree with them.

That said…Trump is the most inarticulate and mind numbingly incoherent politician I have ever seen - by a country mile, in the last fifty years. Daylight is second. I used to think that Bush could mangle the English language like no-one else in public service has ever done. But even he is positively Churchillian compared to Trump.

You can skip over his character. You can turn a blind eye to his morals. You can deny that he lies every time he says anything at all. You can point out some policies that you think are beneficial to the country. You can reject accusations of racism. You can ignore his failed businesses. You can point out that over 70m voted for him. You can claim that he is tenacious and speaks his mind.

You can do all of that. But to then claim that Biden can’t string a few sentences together and by implication suggest that Trump can…is a position that is so far from reality as to be utterly incomprehensible.

 

[Jeanne_S]

What a bunch of nonsense…

 

[Freddy]

What a bunch of nonsense…

So you are impressed with his oratory skills? Did you watch his 46 minute speech from a couple of days ago? He said it was the most important speech he would likely make. It was prepared as he was reading it off a prompter.

Quite possibly the worst political speech I have seen. Please don’t tell me you were impressed.

 

[whatistrue]

. . . . He . . . pitching a fit at the thought that more people wanted Joe just like he went berserk that more people actually voted for Hilary his first time around even though he won under the rules. . . .

ETA: For those who cry “conservative censorship” please read the original post I sent and compare to the toothless mishmash the mods made of it uninvited and with zero reason.

 

[po18guy]

Green deal, huh? If its’ uncooked, it’s just another raw deal.

We used to say that people who tried to alter reality were living in a fantasy world.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

We don’t need a Green New Deal. The country is going green with or without a government policy that says they have to. The car companies have stated they are ready and planning for higher fuel economy standards and electric cars. The energy companies are seeing the fallings costs of wind and solar power and are making plans right now to phase out coal and eventually oil. Just as Christmas came to Whoville without the stuff the Grinch took, so a green economy is coming to America, even without subsidies.

 

[Freddy]

We don’t need a Green New Deal. The country is going green with or without a government policy that says they have to. The car companies have stated they are ready and planning for higher fuel economy standards and electric cars. The energy companies are seeing the fallings costs of wind and solar power and are making plans right now to phase out coal and eventually oil. Just as Christmas came to Whoville without the stuff the Grinch took, so a green economy is coming to America, even without subsidies.

Too true. I didn’t just buy a hybrid car to save the planet. I bought it because it uses about a third of the fuel as my old 4 wheel drive did. And we’re not getting solar panels fitted to the house to prevent rising sea levels. We just want free energy.

 

[po18guy]

As we see, the Biden administration is Obama 3.0.
The Church is going to suffer even more than it did.
Constitutional freedoms will suffer more and more.
I see absolutely nothing good in this.

I can hear it now: Blah blah blah.

 

[Freddy]

As we see, the Biden administration is Obama 3.0.
The Church is going to suffer even more than it did.
Constitutional freedoms will suffer more and more.
I see absolutely nothing good in this.

I can hear it now: Blah blah blah.

As someone said in another thread, ain’t democracy a wonderful thing.

 

[Theo520]

We don’t need a Green New Deal. The country is going green with or without a government policy that says they have to. The car companies have stated they are ready and planning for higher fuel economy standards and electric cars. The energy companies are seeing the fallings costs of wind and solar power and are making plans right now to phase out coal and eventually oil. Just as Christmas came to Whoville without the stuff the Grinch took, so a green economy is coming to America, even without subsidies.

Correct, the driving force behind most innovation is to improve efficiency and reduce costs. But there is a problem when Govt regulation tries to over force natural innovation. Obama’s green fuel standards were idiotic, not achievable. My hybrid couldn’t even meet his standard.

While solar is becoming cheaper, it’s not going to replace base load generation. The large solar plants built in the last decade are underwhelming in their results. They can’t survive without subsidies. Crescent Dunes is a prime example

 

[Freddy]

LeafByNiggle:

We don’t need a Green New Deal. The country is going green with or without a government policy that says they have to. The car companies have stated they are ready and planning for higher fuel economy standards and electric cars. The energy companies are seeing the fallings costs of wind and solar power and are making plans right now to phase out coal and eventually oil. Just as Christmas came to Whoville without the stuff the Grinch took, so a green economy is coming to America, even without subsidies.

Correct, the driving force behind most innovation is to improve efficiency and reduce costs. But there is a problem when Govt regulation tries to over force natural innovation. Obama’s green fuel standards were idiotic, not achievable. My hybrid couldn’t even meet his standard.

While solar is becoming cheaper, it’s not going to replace base load generation. The large solar plants built in the last decade are underwhelming in their results. They can’t survive without subsidies. Crescent Dunes is a prime example

Toyota quotes the exact figures as the green fuel sandards for my Hybrid. So we’re already at the stage where we can meet these targets for some vehicles. And when I put about $6k worth of solar panels on my roof in the new year, I’ll be meeting about 80% of my daily needs.

Make it compulsory to have panels on all new buildings, either domstic or commercial and the base load will start to drop. And as efficiency increases in the panels themselves (as it’s doing constantly) then a greater proportion of the base load can be taken up by solar.

In a hundred years time, people will look back and wonder what in heaven’s name we were waiting for.

 

[Theo520]

Toyota quotes the exact figures as the green fuel sandards for my Hybrid.

I believe no past nor present Prius achieves Obama’s 54.5 Hwy mileage mandate for 2025. If today’s prius can’t do it, it was completely unreasonable to mandate the avg car meet in in 5 yrs.

 

[Dan123]

I believe no past nor present Prius achieves Obama’s 54.5 Hwy mileage mandate for 2025.

The current prius is listed at 58 city and 53 highway. You don’t think they can eek out 1 mpg in the next 5 years?

 

[Theo520]

The current prius is listed at 58 city and 53 highway. You don’t think they can eek out 1 mpg in the next 5 years?

Read what I said.

I don’t think the average auto can rise to that standard. For 54.5 mpg to be the average, half the fleet needs to be well above 55 mpg

Toyota getting the Prius into the low 60’s isn’t enough to average 55mpg for their fleet. From what I see, they average below 30mpg. The best (Honda) only hit 30mpg

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So, Obama was asking fuel economy to double, from 25 to 54.5 in under a decade.

That was idiotic​

 

[Dan123]

Dan123:

The current prius is listed at 58 city and 53 highway. You don’t think they can eek out 1 mpg in the next 5 years?

Read what I said.

Okay.

I believe no past nor present Prius achieves Obama’s 54.5 Hwy mileage mandate for 2025.

Now what? Oh right you want to deflect to something else.

Alright, so suppose the industry in good faith can’t reach those goals. Do you think A) the goals will be adjusted, or B) the united states will make cars illegal?

 

[Theo520]

Now what? Oh right you want to deflect to something else.

Alright, so suppose the industry in good faith can’t reach those goals. Do you think A) the goals will be adjusted, or B) the united states will make cars illegal?

A) The goals were adjusted. For comparison Obama targeted 54.5 mpg by 2025 while the new goal is 40.4 mpg.

B) you aren’t making sense

 

[1cthlctrth]

Joe Biden specifically embraced AOC’s goal of achieving net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The Heritage Foundation attempted to use the Energy Information Administration’s National Energy Model to forecast the impact of steep carbon taxes aimed at reaching the net-zero greenhouse gas emissions goal. Not only did the model crash, it failed to approach anywhere near the goal outlined in the Green New Deal. The closest Heritage was able to get was a 58 percent reduction in emissions, achieved through a $300 carbon tax – taxes above $300 crashed the EIA’s model. Would the Green New Deal bring the US closer to socialism? | Fox News

 

[Freddy]

Joe Biden specifically embraced AOC’s goal of achieving net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

The Heritage Foundation attempted to use the Energy Information Administration’s National Energy Model to forecast the impact of steep carbon taxes aimed at reaching the net-zero greenhouse gas emissions goal. Not only did the model crash, it failed to approach anywhere near the goal outlined in the Green New Deal. The closest Heritage was able to get was a 58 percent reduction in emissions, achieved through a $300 carbon tax – taxes above $300 crashed the EIA’s model. Would the Green New Deal bring the US closer to socialism? | Fox News

You could have precis’d that to save typing:

‘I got some information from a right wing news organisation that a conservative climate-change-denying think tank didn’t think that proposed reductions in greenhouse gases would work’.

Gee. Really?

What’s next? ‘Republicans believe that increasing taxes for the massively wealthy is a bad idea’.

Edit: Just out of curiosity, how do you pronounce your forum name? I’m from Wales and even I struggle.

 

[Dan123]

‘I got some information from a right wing news organisation that a conservative climate-change-denying think tank didn’t think that proposed reductions in greenhouse gases would work’.

So climate change models are pseudoscience but their models are gospel. Seems around right.